If anyone’s blocking or defederating me because I said I want @zuck to kill himself… would “UN_ALIVING” be a better term for you…?

Do you like how censorship has changed the way we talk… the way we self censor so we can still speak freely and have our posts visible.

FUCK-THAT-SHIT

I think even if no one agrees with my perspective, I’m just going to try and find ways to fuck with #meta from my own instance, until THEY defederate from ME

They probably won’t even notice, but I’d like to see what kind of things i can get away with doing to antagonize @zuck@threads.net who is federated currently.

I honestly did not really give #fedipact much thought until people started trying to claim im supporting meta by pointing out the flaws in it. Like how incredibly bad faith do you have to be to make a strawman like that for your argument to work.

I think overall i support the sentiment of it, i just think the implementation and stated reasons are very gate keepy and doesn’t really help the people they supposedly care about who they claim get treated so poorly on other platforms. It seems like victim blaming to hold it against people for not being able to leave #meta.

FUCK META, I want them to die a horrible death that results in mark zuckerberg killing himself after losing his entire fortune and his children die in destitution. Speaking of difficulty moderating, I think it’d be pretty hilarious if I Tagged @zuck@threads.net And he ended up seeing it but can’t take down my post or ban me because I run my own instance.

Huge shoutout to people like @georgetakei @georgetakei@threads.com

For being accessible on both and helping to bring more awareness to Mastodon… thats how you get people off #meta, by meeting them where they are and leading by example.

How many of you guys support blocking George Takei for being on threads I wonder…

#FediPact #CoutnerPoints

• PROTECTION OF MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES

What even is this point? Marginalized communities exist on #meta in huge numbers, #Fedipact only futher alienates those people who may otherwise be open to moving platforms if not for large portions of fediverse blocking the one platform where all their currently existing friends and communities already exist.

try being trans and on facebook, having a list of common suicide methods sent to you by a bigot, and reporting it. they’ll do goddamn nothing. a real, personal, and depressingly common example

So the solution is for the majority of trans people on facebook to just not know about fediverse at all? Or do people think the existence of Mastodon and how to use common knowledge to your average non-tech savy (trans)person and they are just choosing to stay on a platform that lets them be harassed?

If #meta threads is such a hostile place for marginalized people, why aren’t we brigadding posts on threads to drown out the bigots and show support for those who need it.

#FediPact #CoutnerPoints

• THEIR LONG TRACK RECORD OF PURE EVIL

No one would argue meta isn’t pure evil, but that’s where people are. unfortunately not everyone is able to figure out how to join the fediverse, and many people are only on meta’s platforms because thats where the people they communicate with are.

It’s wrong to hold the negative actions of a company that is essentially holding everyone’s friends hostage (ie: they won’t have a way of contacting them outside of meta platfoms) against the people being kept hostage.

#FediPact #CounterPoints

@tokyo_0 #Fedipact just going to start with these directly

1. PROJECT92 WILL BE A MODERATION NIGHTMARE

So is moderating any online community or fedi instance with only volunteers. You sometimes end up with fascist sypathizers as mods for example , Generally speaking “decentalized” and “well moderated” don’t co-exist… I mean, one can hope for a good balance, but if people want to misbehave they have ways of getting around moderation even on very strict platforms.

@tokyo_0 Okay bro, so why are you not linking me to anything? My instance is for me alone because that’s how i ensure what little control i do have on my data and if i want to stop having it be public I can literally just push a button.

My Instance is barely a month old, so I guess I’ll just have to keep an eye on the #fedipact and #fediblock threads and try to figure for myself out how its different from just #gatekeeping low info/ non tech savvy folks out of the fediverse.

@tokyo_0 You aren’t even making sense bro, what “pro meta talking points” are you talking about, Im not pro meta so maybe work on your reading comprehension a bit before you go engaging with people on topics you know next to nothing about.

“No one is obliged to answer you more fully”

Translation: “I’m not able to give a real answer so i’ll just use a cop out excuse instead”

Maybe just let the adults speak next time, since you aren’t an admin and you seem to have no idea how any of this stuff actually works. Your vibes based assessment isn’t needed.

If anyone who actually admins a fedi instance has more info about how #fedipact applies to instances and how we can better recognize AI/Spam and other problematic instances, I’m all ears.

@tokyo_0 I understand you disagree with letting meta do it, but my point is that they, and many other unknown actors are actively going to harvest everything they can, Fedi Posts are public, you can run a mastodon instance that doesnt even interact except to harvest data and it would not be noticed. Meta and other companies actively ignore the law and have the money and lawyers they need to not face any consequences for doing so… THe threat is not to just the fediverse but the entire internet and its not from just Meta its from Google, Amazon, Microsoft and other mega-corps that are LIERALLY above the law (as demonstrated by them constantly breaking laws and paying fines… do they even actually pay these fines? I dont honestly know how to check, maybe they just endlessly appeal and delay things).

I was hoping you’d have more then just a vague “Data harvesting is quickly spotted by admins who monitor traffic. “, I’m an admin and I follow many other admins, I have not seen any major discussion or posting along the lines of “mastodon instance XYZ is harvesting data and should be defederated” or “the instance of ABC is full of nothing but bots and should be blocked”

I have seen instances that are openly okay with AI Art an AI posts NOT being being objected to sigmoid.social for example, is full of bots and AI garbage, but its not really a well known instance so no one cares.

I’m not saying we should welcome them with open arms, I’m just saying the idea of #fedipact is not overall going to solve the problems it purports to solve, at least not so long as its hyper focused on just blacklisting a single company’s single public fedi-connection… what about BlueSky and bridgySky, why isnt everyone as hostile to them I wonder?

I think there are better ways to fight this battle, the current method of just ignorning them will not hinder Meta or the others in the slightest.

@tokyo_0

1. how? Could you give me an example of how you’d expect a data harvesting instance to be noticed, can you point to any examples of already existing ones (of which there are several) that the community has noticed?

2. Illegal where? And do you realize we’re talking about a multinational billion dollar corporations that does “AI”. I don’t know if you noticed, but they aren’t exactly that concerned about “legality” these days when it comes to harvesting data. At best they’d pay a fine if the got caught, then lobby governments to make what they did legal.

I despise meta and everything they do, but for my fellow humans, you have to meet people where they are sometimes, not everyone has the same interests or concerns, not everyone is as educated about the issues with meta as you are.

#Fedipact Is just gate keeping. Now maybe there are other justifications you have for wanting to gate keep, but its not stopping anyone from data harvesting off the fediverse.

I’m just thinking, what can we do to make #meta #threads regret even trying to federate? How can we take advantage of this situation from a hacker/activist perspective, but with the ruthlessness of a capitalist. Embrace the federation, extend it by introducing something cool that threads cant do (like ad free content, a better UI, less censorship, etc), and then by the time they realize OH SHIT we better stop federating, enough of their users might be willing to jump ship the next time they get some 30 second unskippable add thrown in their meta feed thats already full of mostly AI slop posting.

Seem like a better strategy then just ignoring them. 🤷

@levi I just think we have more to gain from federating then they do.

The UI on the threads app actually does make it clear what server someone is on, but they also don’t allow reposting of anything from fedi, and people you “follow” from fedi don’t show up in the normal threads feed. You also can’t share or reply to posts from fedi, all you can do is like posts, which you will only see if they @ mention your threads account.

I do think you’re mostly correct it’d be very hard to reverse things on them with things being how they are currently stacked way in meta’s favor, but it’s not impossible. I guess I’m just thinking we could try to better strategize around it. I dont think its impossible to beat them, at least not to have their same content without them making money of it in a way that costs them more then it “costs” the fediverse, which I would consider a win.

Like I think Meta would not be very happy if a fedi site popped up and just mirrored any meta account you pointed it at… they actively do things to prevent this like no longer allowing third party apps and restricting API access, but there are ways around that similar to how a lot of reddit content is mirrored onto lemmy, much to the dismay of the Reddit share holders who want that content to only be viewed on their site with their advertising/tracking attached to make them more money.

Its just something to think about: What if instead of ignoring them, we embraced the idea to an extent that makes their content visible to our users without giving meta the clicks/views they use to get advertisers money. Especially when you consider how much worse advertising gets on their sites year after year, if we offered just an ad free alternative with the same content, they probably wouldn’t be very happy, but it’d be too late to put the genie back into the bottle.

@levi I already know about shadow dragon, that doesnt change my mind, in fact its why I think something like the fedipact is relatively useless in terms of actually preventing any data harvesting.

Not federating with threads doesnt stop law enforcement from contracting a company to make their own mastodon instance that just doesnt announce who is behind it. It doesn’t make Mastodon admins immune from jail if they go against a gag order saying they have to monitor and NOT announce they are monitoring users.

The idea that you can just de-federate from bad actors, implies that you KNOW who the bad actors are, and that is most certainly not something that can be 100% known. Bad actors don’t normally announce they are going to do bad things ahead of time, they just setup an instance quietly and start harvesting data.

Do you honestly believe that fediverse services are not already being actively monitored by law enforcement in every way imaginable? Do you think the people who host instances would refuse to comply with a court order to hand over records, or that they would risk jail time to go against a gag order informing users they’ve been ordered to monitor them?

It just seems naive to me to think that threads is an actual threat to the fediverse in and of itself more so then the fediverse is to Meta/X/Amazon/etc.

The main flaw i see with #fedipact logic is: if meta was really more of a threat to Fedi then Fedi is to #Meta, why wouldnt “Project92” or whatever just start a covert instance runnin mastodon on a random domain name unaffiliated with meta (at least on the surface level) and just harvest all the data they want that way?

I just don’t see that much of a harmful impact in harvesting data that is already public, i get sending a message that we dont want corpos on #fediverse, but maybe we should start considering the harm Fedi can do to meta by using the ole “embrace, extend, extinguish” route as a sort of uno reverse card and out extend the corporations for once.

Just doing this for testing purposes but It seems like #federation isn’t really a thing on #threads. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I see no way of viewing, following, or interacting with non-threads users from the threads website. I can technically follow threads users from mastodon, but they can’t follow back or even know that im following them.

I guess i really don’t know why i expected it to be more than a performative PR stunt, but it sure seems like even #meta doesnt want people interacting because, if they did then they’d know they could leave.

Kinda makes me rethink the whole #fedipact thing… like if the fedi hadn’t completely walled off from them and instead embraced the idea, we might have ended up actually costing meta users instead of just allowing them to stay a walled garden.

@sapientidiot @sapientidiot@threads.net

Does #Pleroma just not support threads addresses at all?

@jeffowski Its a fair point, but I’m not sure it looks any more dumb then refusing blood transfusions, speaking in tongues , or whatever they call that shit where they harass poison snakes that some christian sects are into doing.

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