RE: https://mastodon.social/@Fratm/116009115716717878

Here's one right here

Screenshot for posterity

I can't go six minutes without someone being *that person*.

@vkc and ofc it's mastosoc. many creatures on fedi say that defederating mastosoc, hachyderm and fosstodon fixes 90% of annoyances and honestly yeah

@byte yeah but when my job involves connecting with folks over there, that's a bit hard to do.

@vkc@linuxmom.net muting all of mastodon.social has been a great addition to my settings ​​ ​​ ​​

@mitsunee I can't do that. I make PeerTube for a living. This is part of my job. I might as well walk away from Fedi entirely if I defederate from the largest instances.

@vkc@linuxmom.net that's the neat part about muting, they won't even know you can't see them, they can still follow and receive your posts just fine ​​
edit: well not mine, since I don't accept follow requests from that instance either, but I do still see those and could accept if I ever chose to

@mitsunee STOP TELLING ME HOW TO BE ON THE INTERNET

For gods sakes, I wasn't fucking asking for advice

@Fratm @vkc

Calling people sensitive when they're telling you about abuse they've received is a terrible thing to do. It is belittling and invalidating.

On top of that, Veronica puts a lot of hard work into her accounts on here and you're driving her away by saying stuff like this.

Please show her respect 🙏

@FediThing @vkc Re-read the thread in the right order please. I said she was being sensitive after she attacked me for my opinion. Go read it.

Also, I am not driving her away, in fact I was shocked she threatened to leave, that was the point of my message, I have always liked her content and respect her as a fellow nerd. I was shocked she threatened to leave this platform, and said something about it, now I am being attacked.

@Fratm hey misogynist, try not calling women "sensitive" for speaking about harassment

You're a fucking asshole, and definitely the "bad apple" you claim you're not.

@Fratm @vkc

Serious question for you @Fratm : who/what was your earlier message actually for? It seems like you wanted to share an opinion about someone else’s experience, but did you think you’d change their mind by essentially shaming them, I’m just curious what the logic was with this and why you’ve chosen to dig your feet in which just comes off as more cringe.

I don’t think you meant to come off as insulting or arrogant, but surely by this point you can understand that objectively that’s how you look in this thread. Of all the posts to do this on you pick one of someone talking about their personal experience , complaining about how other people speak for them. My guy, you gotta read the room next time and try to do better, I mean this in all good faith.

@gravitas the post was removed, evidently having an opinion and not saying anything wrong (no cussing, not attacks, nothing bad.) is against policy on mastodon. The fediverse is all about censorship now.

My original reply was to the OP, she was saying she was going to leave the fediverse, and that surprised me, and was upsetting, because (until now) I respected her and liked her content, and hated the idea of her leaving. it was not intended to be harmful.

@gravitas @vkc And maybe the room needs to read the actual post and think about what it was meant instead of attacking me and reporting my posts. I unfollowed vkc, and blocked her minions that attacked me. So this is over.

@Fratm I tend to agree that ample use of the block feature is all one should need to manage on the fediverse, but I also realize im not a minor internet celeb with tons of para-social followers and I could see how that might get annoying in that sort of case.

I have my share of disagreements with the level of “sensitivity” some folks on fedi have, but I still think its better to err on the side of being welcoming and understanding to people here, leave the hostility on those corporate owned networks that run off it instead.

@gravitas See the problem here is I was not negative, I was not hostile, not at all. But she is the one who attacked me first and then her followers attacked me over a nothing post.

Thank you for replying, you have been nice about it.

@Fratm Well I’m not saying you meant it this way but I think a lot of folks saw this as “you have stupid opinions” Which does come off as hostile, rather then “you would leave because of other people’s stupid opinions” which is what im guessing you meant.

I agree with the sentiment, it would be a bit silly to drop fedi over some stupid opinions, but it was a post expressing frustration to which your response wasn’t really helpful or constructive.

I really don’t mean to be overly critical, its not that big of a deal IMO, but I’m just pointing it out because I really do think we can and should do better here.

@gravitas The irony, she sat back and let her followers do to me exactly what she was complaining about people doing to her. Makes me not really want to care about this anymore. Think about it, by her posting that "screenshot for posterity" most, she basically gave her base her permission to do to me what she was complaining about. So, she can do better too, not just me.

@Fratm You are absolutely right, the fact that this post is reported to my instance just goes to show that people on her side[*] are now using this as an excuse to harrass you by reporting all your posts. Nothing about this previous post was worthy of reporting but at least one user reported it on here for no other reason then to harass you, and to whomever is doing that I ask that they also please try to do better.

[*]I don’t think veronica would intentionally want her followers to do this, but I also don’t think they are unaware of the ripple effect putting your post on blast would have. We all have room for improvement here.

@gravitas and its all because of a misunderstanding. *shrug* nothing I can do about it at this point. Veronica muted me, so she didn't even see my apology, and her followers are still harassing me. She used her position as an influencer to attack me. What does that say about her? She has to know that with that many followers that they were going to go after me, no matter what I said or say.. She knew what she was doing.

@Fratm Oh wow, thats pretty disappointing to see as I thought she was an overall net positive for fedi, perhaps it really isn’t the right place for her.

Reports should mostly be reserved for content that is either direct harassment or illegal. “Getting weird” is an extremely subjective thing which is fine to block someone over but trying to get people banned or posts removed just because you don’t like what they have to say is a bit too authoritarian for my liking, we certainly can do better then that here.

@gravitas Now they are reporting my messages to you, that don't even have her tagged in it.

@gravitas @Fratm This is a stupid reading. It's not down to some subtle misunderstanding of whose "stupid opinions" they were, and if everyone just had better reading comprehension, they would see how encouraging and supportive it was. No. The original comment was by construction dismissive of the level of distress V experienced: "just" want to "dump", "all over some stupid opinions". It suggests it was some poorly-thought-out disproportionate action, which your "logical" thoughts could avert.

@gravitas @Fratm It must feel bad to have a bunch of people tell you that your behaviour sucks, but at least be honest with yourself that it's because people thought your actual behaviour sucks, and not because of some minor misunderstanding of your noble intent.

@amenonsen
This isnt the way either buddy. You dont need to further harass someone just because you think they where rude to your parasocial friend.

@Fratm

@amenonsen @gravitas Let me ask you this, how is your opinion on this subject any different than my original opinion? I didn't ask for your opinion, right? That seems to be the biggest beef here, my opinion was not asked for there for I should have just kept my mouth shut. Yet, you fans of her who do not like my opinion feel it is okay to attack me with yours. Hypocrisy for sure.

@amenonsen @gravitas Now you are telling me how to feel, and my behavior sucks? See you are attacking me, you are guilty of what she is mad at me for. Really? I want this to just end, yet her army of sycophants keep on attacking me, and in doing so just proving that she did intend this to happen.